90-Day Fixed Term Licenses (for Max & Maya)

[Letterbox]

Bellsey, cloud? Why, didn't you know can do SSH on a smartphone.

I just checked this out... https://creative.adobe.com/plans (look at complete / cancel any time)

I know that someone here would be happy, if AD made creative suite at $75 per month / cancel any time - via credit card /paypal -> email monthly lics, that could be distributed as one desired.
I think too freelancers in at least 64 countries would be happy too. The sooner the better - because then everyone makes money, and everyone wins.

As for baby steps, fyi - light a fire under anyone's ass - and invariably you'll see it moves a lot quicker. ;)

[Bellsey]

Bellsey, cloud? Why, didn't you know can do SSH on a smartphone.

Yes I know, even though you may use SSH, where's the actual data? In many cases, data (email, for example) sits on a server, which you just access. This essentially is what many might call these days, the Cloud, though these types of services aren't really anything that new. I'm simply just generalising.

As for baby steps, fyi - light a fire under anyone's ass - and invariably you'll see it moves a lot quicker. ;)

Remember my oil tanker analogy.

[Letterbox]

The oil tanker analogy is a really bad example, and you shouldn't use it. Because inherently it's not true.

You can see that with the social media purchases, or the rampant piracy in China and AD's response by dropping prices by 80% on certain software.



And better and truer statement to use is... where there is a will there is a way, or where there is a perceived advantage there is a way, or where there is an alternative revenue stream there is a way.

Which brings us back to the 1/2 ass job on the $199. I say 1/2 ass because of the supermarket mindset - limit one per customer, the void statement about territory usage, only two to 'test the waters' ...and so on.

The sad thing is that because of above the perceived value from the customer is tarnished and it's not as useful, as other here have said. Which means the take up will not be nearly as great as it could be. Which implies that it will not been seen as successful as it could have been, then someone will say... oh well at least we tried.


Someone there clearly doesn't know.. The effort you put in = the rewards you get out.

[pluMmet]

There is no law that states that I can't create an EULA that states that you must eat a Bologna sandwich @ midnight every Tuesday or you forfeit your license.

Companies are getting away with murder because they can...

The first thing that needs to happen with all EULA is that licenses are transferable on a yearly basis at no charge. That would bring free market pricing to bare on all software.

Currently EULAs are able to ignore free market pricing. Correct that and all these little annoying issues go away.

Most people don't really understand how a free market makes things fair so here are two helper videos from Freedomain Radio




Bottom line on an EULA not allowing license transfer is the 'license transfer market' would bring the true price of an object to bare ie. if craigslist had 3ds max licenses selling for $800 then over the course of a year or two a new seat would be $1000.

With the internet and computers the argument that it would cost a company too much money to facilitate transfers is nonsense... If a company can't afford an $800/year automated system then the EULA should by law default the license to open source.

Any argument about how just maybe the automated system could be spoofed is nonsense. It's easier to just hack the software alone. The automated system is there for honest people. Any slander against it conceptually is an attempt at reverse psychology.

[xsisupport]

While we're at it: how does the worldwide AD online store go together with original retailer supply model? With a strict "reseller is the only seller" policy, one could easily or at least more easily defend the notion "usage in territory you purchased the software in only". Doesn't this change (on a vague fundamental level, that obviously has no bearing in the real world) once AD starts selling its software online worldwide as well?

I though the stores were country specific?

[xsisupport]

Take a person in Canada, a great person, a great talent, he gets hired by a Spanish Company, but he cant work in Spain he's not European. So they buy him XSI for him, now if he leaves them, there is no way for the Spanish company to 'reclaim' that license, ie its stuck in Canada. But they need to replace him with someone, the next best is in Brazil, technically they cant transfer it there, either. So now they have legally purchased something that's completely useless, and they have no way to use it. Can anyone honestly call that fair?

Companies can get "global" licenses if they have a distributed workforce.
Disclaimer: I don't work for Autodesk. I'm just relaying some info.

[Hirazi Blue]

I though the stores were country specific?

That's a good question, I always took them to be more language specific than country specific (in the case of Europe), but I never actually tried to buy anything there, so this is indeed unclear to me.

edit: if you do try to purchase in the German shop, for instance, you still get a rolldown listing all European countries, when gathering your personal info.
This obviously isn't conclusive, but I'm not going to press "buy" just to find out...

[xsisupport]

I though the stores were country specific?

That's a good question, I always took them to be more language specific than country specific (in the case of Europe), but I never actually tried to buy anything there, so this is indeed unclear to me.

Ah. Europe is all one territory I believe, so you can move around with your license between quite a few countries.

[pluMmet]

Where is price list for "global" licenses?

And BTW AD has grown into this Goliath due to EULAs being able to ignore free market prices...

[Bellsey]

I though the stores were country specific?

That's a good question, I always took them to be more language specific than country specific (in the case of Europe), but I never actually tried to buy anything there, so this is indeed unclear to me.

Ah. Europe is all one territory I believe, so you can move around with your license between quite a few countries.

Yes that's right, but if I understand correctly (but would need to confirm), it's only within EU member states.

[xsisupport]

Yes that's right, but if I understand correctly (but would need to confirm), it's only within EU member states.

From the EULA:

33. “Territory” (a) means the country, countries or jurisdiction(s) specified in the License Identification, or (b) if there is no such License Identification, or no country or jurisdiction is specified in the License Identification, means the country in which Licensee acquires a license to the Autodesk Materials. If the License Identification specifies, or Licensee acquires the Autodesk Materials in, a member country of the European Union or the European Free Trade Association, Territory means all the countries of the European Union and the European Free Trade Association.

[Letterbox]

Thats for Europe, but let's not forget that there is also a free trade agreement between CIS countries too.

[Hirazi Blue]

Yes, I can see now, how my argument was flawed. Taking Europe (and its online store) as an example I reached a wrong conclusion as Europe obviously gets special mention in the EULA as one single "territory". But one of the other stores appears to be "United States/Canada" store (which I seem to be unable to visit at all due to constant redirection). Are they considered one "territory" too?

[pluMmet]

Where is price list for "global" licenses?

google search of autodesk global license or autodesk global license "price" offers no links to the prices....

[Letterbox]

But one of the other stores appears to be "United States/Canada" store. Are they considered one "territory" too?

wasn't that what NAFTA was all about? Canada, USA & Mexico.

[Letterbox]

Take a person in Canada, a great person, a great talent, he gets hired by a Spanish Company, but he cant work in Spain he's not European. So they buy him XSI for him, now if he leaves them, there is no way for the Spanish company to 'reclaim' that license, ie its stuck in Canada. But they need to replace him with someone, the next best is in Brazil, technically they cant transfer it there, either. So now they have legally purchased something that's completely useless, and they have no way to use it. Can anyone honestly call that fair?

Companies can get "global" licenses if they have a distributed workforce.
Disclaimer: I don't work for Autodesk. I'm just relaying some info.

Thanks Stephen.