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 Post subject: Re: Price change imminent?
PostPosted: 13 Jul 2011, 20:33 
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I meant this differently:
There was a reason for Foundation.
Softimage (the company) didn't invent 3Democracy from the goodness of their hearts.
If big studios (the major income as you say) dropped XSI from their pipeline because they couldn't find enough good artists and artists didn't embrace XSI because it was too expensive and not widespread enough, Softimage was in a lose-lose situation.
It was my impression that Foundation worked in this regard and came in a time when many people were looking for alternatives to - for instance (but not only) - Lightwave.
Like me.

So from a pure 1-dimensional point of view, Foundation may have been idiotic, but from a bigger perspective it may have been what made XSI a major player again (even if the smallest).

I already hear the voices on the mailinglist that this lack-of-artists situation starts to return.
I had a project myself 1.5 years ago where I wasn't able to find any XSI artists on short notice for a job here in Berlin. The project was finished by a maya studio in the end.
I can't imagine this price increase is helping with that, neither does the reduction in different application levels or the missing subscription levels.

I for instance don't need support (other than for Autodesks retarded installers or licensing servers without any hints on usage ;) ) and when I tried to use it in the past I hardly got anything worthwhile back - the solution to the wacom-stops-everything problem came from you on the mailinglist, I never got anything back from official support.


Anyway. I'm actually over it now and made my peace with no longer being on subscription.
Part of me is even relieved, since I never felt comfortable with giving money to Autodesk while being treated like an asshole as a customer (read the software license "agreement" if you don't know what I mean).

I guess as an Autodesk employee, you guys suffer from at least a light Stockholm-syndrome ;)
Could be worse - there are people actually working at Apple =))

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 Post subject: Re: Price change imminent?
PostPosted: 13 Jul 2011, 21:45 
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Support told you to rename your wintab32.dll to wintab32.bak.
I don't see how that didn't work, since the other solution was to create a dummy wintab32.dll in the XSI_BINDER folder.

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 Post subject: Re: Price change imminent?
PostPosted: 13 Jul 2011, 21:54 
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I think it's time to demonstrate a bit of people-power to Autodesk.

When my maintenance renewal comes up and I get the usual email plus invoice from my reseller (which will be £775+vat as opposed to £460+vat), I will simple tell them that I only want basic subscription at a lower price, or no thanks!

If we all do that, surely Autodesk will have no choice but to offer the basic subscription?

In the 5 years I've been paying for 'Gold' support, I have never used it, so there's no way I'm paying even more for something I don't use!!!


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 Post subject: Re: Price change imminent?
PostPosted: 13 Jul 2011, 22:14 
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ThomasHelzle wrote:
I meant this differently:
There was a reason for Foundation.
Softimage (the company) didn't invent 3Democracy from the goodness of their hearts.
If big studios (the major income as you say) dropped XSI from their pipeline because they couldn't find enough good artists and artists didn't embrace XSI because it was too expensive and not widespread enough, Softimage was in a lose-lose situation.
It was my impression that Foundation worked in this regard and came in a time when many people were looking for alternatives to - for instance (but not only) - Lightwave.


yeah, absolutely. In fact I generally always agree with what you say - I'm just providing additional perspective.


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 Post subject: Re: Price change imminent?
PostPosted: 13 Jul 2011, 22:15 
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xsisupport: Okay, nothing isn't true, support told me to rename the wintab32.dll in system32 as you say - which didn't work.

Luc-Eric told us on his blog (about a year after my inquiry to support) to create a dummy wintab32.dll in the bin folder of softimage which does work and doesn't affect other software.
http://www.softimageblog.com/archives/546

So Luc-Eric: 10 points, XSI Support: 0.5 points ;-)

This isn't about bashing XSI support anyway, just about me being able to live without it.
Mailinglist and Forums would be fine for me.

azurecgi: good idea :-)

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 Post subject: Re: Price change imminent?
PostPosted: 13 Jul 2011, 22:17 
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right, I gave Support these wintab instructions, I'm surprised it didn't work. Maybe Wacom installs it in multiple locations.


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 Post subject: Re: Price change imminent?
PostPosted: 13 Jul 2011, 23:00 
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I don't know if can doing or not a comparison between Modo, Lightwave and XSI foundation. All these three product was, about, in the some price tag. Why XSI foundation was a Loss leader, and LW and Modo continue to live and prosper?

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If we all do that, surely Autodesk will have no choice but to offer the basic subscription?


Yes, good idea, but definitely will not followed, unfortunately.

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 Post subject: Re: Price change imminent?
PostPosted: 01 Aug 2011, 14:48 
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Now that the new price is in effect - can anybody from Autodesk comment on why there is no silver subscription for Softimage?
We were told the price increase was about levelling XSI with the other products. If that is the case, why not go all the way and also offer silver support?

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 Post subject: Re: Price change imminent?
PostPosted: 01 Aug 2011, 14:54 
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Well, I'm definitively not "from Autodesk", but I imagine this to be their reaction: %-(

BTW: today's also the day Autodesk finally completed its acquisition of Softimage
(i.e. no more Avid|Softimage support and product activation) :ymparty:

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 Post subject: Re: Price change imminent?
PostPosted: 01 Aug 2011, 15:29 
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Yeah, I read that on the mailinglist. :-q

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