Arnold to go rental-only

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Re: Arnold to go rental-only

Post by Maximus » 09 May 2017, 16:53

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Re: Arnold to go rental-only

Post by luceric » 09 May 2017, 16:54

owei wrote:
luceric wrote:
owei wrote:...well, at least, perpetuals will end April 30th 2018 ;) 300% price inccrease. not bad, AD, you guys rock! Will give a bit of a boost to Redshift, I guess..
where is the 300% increase?
Well. I should write "300% price increase for maintaining new licenses after Apr 30th 2018"...
Was to hard to understand like I wrote it.
Alright, that makes more sense.
Arnold has never been inexpensive though. This is the software that didn't publish their prices and you use to have to buy a minimum of 5 licenses at something like 1300$ each 3 years ago (plus I think 300$ a year after) before they talked to you.
The new yearly rental price looks similar to Vray's 530$ a year. The monthly of Vray is 200$ instead of 65$, though.
I guess in the future you have just the license you need preparing the scene and then you pay per minute for cloud rendering.

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Post by owei » 09 May 2017, 18:57

...of course Arnold never was cheap, the problem with the AD rental thing is, "rental only". Rental is absolut OK as long as you have perpetual lics along. But as AD goes for rental ONLY, this was a logical step. Now you will loose the right to OPEN (Maya/Max rental) and RENDER (Arnold soon rental for new lics) you very own work, if you don´t pay for it. ;)

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Re: Arnold to go rental-only

Post by mattmos » 09 May 2017, 19:04

Are those dollar figures accurate?

Vray is £320 rental per year or £50 per month in the UK. But a perm lic is £650, or perm lic with 10 rendernodes for £1750.

11 arnold subs for just one year would be £6050!

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Post by Rork » 09 May 2017, 19:07

luceric wrote: Arnold has never been inexpensive though. This is the software that didn't publish their prices and you use to have to buy a minimum of 5 licenses at something like 1300$ each 3 years ago (plus I think 300$ a year after) before they talked to you..............
I know, I've been through the whole beta in Softimage at the time, and am one of their first customers. But that doesn't make it any better, does it?
What i -do- know, is that my bill for Arnold jumps from 200 to 600 euro's next year. And that is unacceptable, no matter how you spin it.

Some of the peeps at AD must still have a poster of Gordon Gekko on the wall......
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Re: Arnold to go rental-only

Post by owei » 09 May 2017, 19:17

HEy Rob, as far as I understand, the rental only is "just" for new lics beginning from next April. So, your licenses will (currently) not be affected by this new "feature" ;)

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Re: Arnold to go rental-only

Post by wesserbro » 10 May 2017, 01:17

Screw brute-force CPU path-tracing pop-culture! Point-clouds, voxel cone tracing, >1024 sampling - rock'n'roll!

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Re: Arnold to go rental-only

Post by Hirazi Blue » 10 May 2017, 11:39

A U-turn on Autodesk’s policy of last April

The move is, however, a fairly rapid reversal of the company’s policy on acquiring Solid Angle last April.

At the time, Autodesk industry manager Maurice Patel told CG Channel: “The one thing I will stress is that we’re not going to discontinue perpetual licences for rendering.”

“[Arnold] is a very different business model [to our other software, and] through the nature of how it supports other products, it just doesn’t make sense to do that.”

“We know that many of the customers [who use other] 3D products don’t necessarily want to move to subscription. We’re not going to force [other companies’] subscription agendas.”
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Re: Arnold to go rental-only

Post by julius » 10 May 2017, 13:13

Try Redshift and let them with Arnold.
you won't regret

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Post by owei » 10 May 2017, 14:03

Nice find, Hirazi ;) Once and for all, everybody by now should know, you can´t believe a single word out of the mouth of an AD-guy. Not that they are liars by intent! I think, that they truly believe in what they say. But in the end, it is not worth the breath, because the evil greed will break its way...

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Re: Arnold to go rental-only

Post by Bullit » 10 May 2017, 15:09

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Re: Arnold to go rental-only

Post by Rork » 11 May 2017, 10:58

julius wrote:Try Redshift and let them with Arnold.
you won't regret
Installed the latest version of Redshift, and converted all shading from an old archviz scene.
This one has gone through MR, VRay, Arnold and now Redshift, and is a pretty nice testscene for interior lighting.

Despite me not knowing yet what to set correctly for all the sample values, it renders (GI/Irradiance) pretty quickly.
Appr. 14 min. for a 1500x1000px, 10 portal lights and a HDR.

I'm reading up on sampling and such, so I'm sure I can shave off some amount of rendertime when I got the sampling better set up for the scene.
It probably take some time to get used to all the shader and sampling settings, compared to Arnold. It feels like I'm back at MR for some things LOL!
But for a first run it's not bad ;)

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And it's always good to have another renderer (or two) in your arsenal, not just because AD is messing it up for users once again.... ;)
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Re: Arnold to go rental-only

Post by Rork » 11 May 2017, 12:02

Hi,

Thanks for the links, I found these as well while browsing YT. The Maya series is quite useful.

Another quick test, appr. 15 minutes rendertime:

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Re: Arnold to go rental-only

Post by BenR » 11 May 2017, 15:58

Another great feature of Redshift is that you can cut your render times by adding more/better gpu's. I've found a linear acceleration up to 3 cards.

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Re: Arnold to go rental-only

Post by julius » 11 May 2017, 16:00

Nice !

I'm working with redshift for nearly two years now. It's a game changer : impossible to go back to any renderer now. The speed is crazy, and if you are used to MR or Vray, transition is very easy.

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