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Re: exit Stephen Blair?

Post by Bellsey » 02 Sep 2012, 22:57

ok then, perhaps I shouldn't bother trying to mitigate then. I'm also not trying to belittle anything, or stop anyone from being angry and venting either. It's perhaps a natural response.

However, I'm just trying to correct some frankly incorrect and wild accusations regarding the recent Autodesk announcements with some simple truth about some points. If people can't or are unwilling to accept some of that truth, then I'm sorry I can't help that. I'm just trying to offer the other view to what are sometimes, one sided views, debates and opinions.

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Re: exit Stephen Blair?

Post by pluMmet » 03 Sep 2012, 00:01

Bellsey wrote:ok then, perhaps I shouldn't bother trying to mitigate then. I'm also not trying to belittle anything, or stop anyone from being angry and venting either. It's perhaps a natural response.

However, I'm just trying to correct some frankly incorrect and wild accusations regarding the recent Autodesk announcements with some simple truth about some points. If people can't or are unwilling to accept some of that truth, then I'm sorry I can't help that. I'm just trying to offer the other view to what are sometimes, one sided views, debates and opinions.
If you once offered an actual opinion that strayed from the AD party line then what you just said might hold water...

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Re: exit Stephen Blair?

Post by Bellsey » 03 Sep 2012, 00:33

pluMmet wrote:
Bellsey wrote:ok then, perhaps I shouldn't bother trying to mitigate then. I'm also not trying to belittle anything, or stop anyone from being angry and venting either. It's perhaps a natural response.

However, I'm just trying to correct some frankly incorrect and wild accusations regarding the recent Autodesk announcements with some simple truth about some points. If people can't or are unwilling to accept some of that truth, then I'm sorry I can't help that. I'm just trying to offer the other view to what are sometimes, one sided views, debates and opinions.
If you once offered an actual opinion that strayed from the AD party line then what you just said might hold water...
Actually I have, on more than several occasions. I don't agree with literally everything that Autodesk says and does, but I still have to be careful about what I say in a public forum such as this.

However I'm beginning to realise that despite my best intentions of trying to offer some more balanced opinions, my attempts are appearing to be futile. I'm getting the impression that either people aren't taking in what I'm saying, or they're just simply unwilling to. If people aren't willing to even remotely accept some of the truths that I am saying then there's literally no point in me continuing to even try. I accept that sometimes I'm guilty of trying abit too hard to simply make people understand, so I should be reigning myself in abit.

So, I'm gonna sleep on it, but unless I change my mind, I'm going to step back from doing any posting whatsoever. I will still continue my account and be visible from time to time on this forum and others (including the list), but I think its time for me to get my coat and take a break.

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Re: exit Stephen Blair?

Post by pluMmet » 03 Sep 2012, 00:39

Bellsey wrote:
pluMmet wrote:
Bellsey wrote:ok then, perhaps I shouldn't bother trying to mitigate then. I'm also not trying to belittle anything, or stop anyone from being angry and venting either. It's perhaps a natural response.

However, I'm just trying to correct some frankly incorrect and wild accusations regarding the recent Autodesk announcements with some simple truth about some points. If people can't or are unwilling to accept some of that truth, then I'm sorry I can't help that. I'm just trying to offer the other view to what are sometimes, one sided views, debates and opinions.
If you once offered an actual opinion that strayed from the AD party line then what you just said might hold water...
Actually I have, on more than several occasions. I don't agree with literally everything that Autodesk says and does, but I still have to be careful about what I say in a public forum such as this.

However I'm beginning to realise that despite my best intentions of trying to offer some more balanced opinions, my attempts are appearing to be futile. I'm getting the impression that either people aren't taking in what I'm saying, or they're just simply unwilling to. If people aren't willing to even remotely accept some of the truths that I am saying then there's literally no point in me continuing to even try. I accept that sometimes I'm guilty of trying abit too hard to simply make people understand, so I should be reigning myself in abit.

So, I'm gonna sleep on it, but unless I change my mind, I'm going to step back from doing any posting whatsoever. I will still continue my account and be visible from time to time on this forum and others (including the list), but I think its time for me to get my coat and take a break.

:ympeace:

\m/
When your employer has this to say then maybe you can see why your efforts to polish them fail:

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They are headlong into into moral deterioration.

If I were someone who they thought agreed with them and should be kept around I would be worried about who I was.

This thread is part of a morning process for Stephen Blair loosing his voice in our support and you came in here telling us it's not... AD is just great and we just don't get it.

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Re: exit Stephen Blair?

Post by Bellsey » 03 Sep 2012, 10:43

pluMmet wrote: This thread is part of a morning process for Stephen Blair loosing his voice in our support and you came in here telling us it's not... AD is just great and we just don't get it.
Actually, that isn't what I have said at all and if you think that, then that only confirms (to me anyway) my previous post. Apologies for seemingly wasting your time, I will try and do so no more.

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Re: exit Stephen Blair?

Post by mixepix » 03 Sep 2012, 20:15

Well, I think it's nice that you are involved in the community and I would hate to see you leave.
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Re: exit Stephen Blair?

Post by ace63 » 04 Sep 2012, 16:24

In my book you are one of the good guys Bellsey - I think people just need to direct their hate against someone, and you are one of the more active guys around here, plus you are from Autodesk, so.....

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Re: exit Stephen Blair?

Post by Hirazi Blue » 04 Sep 2012, 17:09

Sorry, everybody's entitled to their own opinion and I agree that it would be a shame if Bellsey were to actually leave our little community, but before we go point fingers at others for deliberately blaming Bellsey just because there is so much "hate towards Autodesk" going around, I would consider the context in which certain some of these remarks were made. Bellsey admiited in an other thread, that he was deliberately "stirring the pot". That kind of action/attitude can have adverse effects...

Bellsey is more than welcome to stay, as far as I am concerned.
But let us not focus too much on what happened here recently in the heat (for all parties concerned) of the moment...
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Re: exit Stephen Blair?

Post by lard » 04 Sep 2012, 17:35

Bellsey can leave. Make a spot for Blair to return. Sounds great to me. Blair had immeasurable, positive, contributions to the Softimage community. Not sure what this guy does, seems to stir pots, cook nothing, and bring an empty plate to table.

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Re: exit Stephen Blair?

Post by luceric » 04 Sep 2012, 18:14

a definite case where "less is more"

personally I was glad to see marc petit salute stephen on twitter. he's also talked to guillaume.
none of this makes anything ok, but it's a difficult event we have to pass through.

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Re: exit Stephen Blair?

Post by ActionArt » 04 Sep 2012, 18:20

Will Stephen be the next additions to Fabric Engine? Hopefully...

Anyone want to start a little lottery :)

Possible future for Stephen:

SideFX
Fabric Engine
Luxology

feel free to add...

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Re: exit Stephen Blair?

Post by Bellsey » 04 Sep 2012, 19:02

lard wrote:Bellsey can leave. Make a spot for Blair to return. Sounds great to me. Blair had immeasurable, positive, contributions to the Softimage community. Not sure what this guy does, seems to stir pots, cook nothing, and bring an empty plate to table.
Yeah cheers, thx for that, lol.

As for what I do, well I am a pre-sales Technical Specialist/Application Engineer/Application Specialist, call it what you will. Essentially my job is to work with sales guys and partners to push products as very often sales guys don't know the full technical aspects of the product.
I specialise in specific products and industries, so I'm M&E (Media & Entertainment) and my ADSK products are Maya, Motionbuilder, Mudbox and Softimage. And before anyone thinks that other products were pushed on me, I've known and used them for years. I've know Maya since v1.0 (and PowerAnimator before that), Mobu when it was Filmbox, Mudbox since its beta and of course Softimage (XSI & SI3D).

Mark Schoennagel has the same role as me, except I cover EMEA and he does Americas. For APAC (asia/pacific), we have Siddharth and then Nabe in Japan. We're basically the only ones who know Softimage to a certain level, so if I was to go, then we'd have no one doing any Softimage tech sales in EMEA. Stephen was post-sales support and services and fell under a slightly different area/dept and geo, and therefore different budget.

For the record, when I heard the news of (in particular) Stephen being among the 7%, I did raise this concern with certain people, including some of the support guys who work here in London. Also, we've had an open headcount here in EMEA/London for a Maya/Softimage support engineer, but initial attempts to fill this role were unsuccessful, and as mentioned in previous news around the results, some head counts have been frozen and reviewed.

Also, I'm not 'leaving' as such, just sitting back and lurking in the background. As I said in my post, anything I seemed to post wasn't really being taken in and only seemed to make things worse (unintentional or otherwise), so more posting seemed futile. I'm kinda on a hiding to nothing, therefore I'm just taking a step back.

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Re: exit Stephen Blair?

Post by Maximus » 04 Sep 2012, 20:20

Its not nice how things are evolving, i dont really like direct offensive words or thoughts to people. There is no need for that actually, would be nice everyone tone down a bit.
Something is blaming AD in general but when things get personal is quite annoying and rude.

Keep in mind also that people lost their jobs and this turned out into a quite rude thread now.
Not that we are happy with Autodesk decisions in general but some comments really are a bit too much out of the track to me.

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Re: exit Stephen Blair?

Post by iamVFX » 04 Sep 2012, 20:27

Bellsey wrote:As I said in my post, anything I seemed to post wasn't really being taken in and only seemed to make things worse (unintentional or otherwise), so more posting seemed futile. I'm kinda on a hiding to nothing, therefore I'm just taking a step back.
Welcome on forums. Nobody will agree with your opinion or views unless they are based on reality and explained well.

In this case, the situation around lay offs such brilliant and experienced guys like Steve and Guillaume wasn't explained, that's why everybody feel cheated. And, since you the only one who (sort of) represent the company, telling us that no one should be angry or upset, you can't back this up with facts, because you don't know why such a random decision was made.

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Re: exit Stephen Blair?

Post by bottleofram » 04 Sep 2012, 21:07

Since this forum drama refuses to stop, this is all he said:
Bellsey wrote:ok, so before people start finger pointing and/or accusing Autodesk of singling out/repressing Softimage, I would like to point that, that the recent layoffs have affected many locations, divisions, and departments. No one in particular seems to have been singled out. Now, whether you believe me or not, then that's your prerogative, but that's how it is.

For the record, I didn’t like this news (including about other people) any more than anyone else.


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In other words, before making recurring conclusions, be aware this is happening across Autodesk as a whole and other products are being affected by the layoff just the same.

Now please, if you are annoyed by whichever user, feel free to simply ignore him/her.

I have my reservations towards what people from Autodesk say or do not say, but personal attacks are out of order. Also, saying "im gonna stop posting" is an overreaction, Graham. Guess what? Internet gets nasty sometimes. Deal with it.


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Re: exit Stephen Blair?

Post by Kerro Perro » 04 Sep 2012, 21:49

Basically Bellsey is just saying this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... yltK6pmJGg
Moderator edit: this video appears to be blocked from embedding - HB

:p All in good fun mate!

Moderator edit: and on that apparently vaguely funny note, I am closing this thread - HB

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