Do they sell rendernodes for Softimage, I don't see that anywhere?

Wow, if that is true I reall have nothing to prevent me from buying anymore.

Achim

Yes, well it depends if new users are strictly looking for a render solution (V ray) and what 3d application is more affordable in that combo situation
or if they are looking at software capabilities and what you want to do (ICE, face robot, quickExtrude, whatever).
If you do not own anything Maya + V ray would be cheaper solution , for the same amount of V ray batch licenses.
If you already own SI, it's cheaper to purchase 2 Vray licences, than Maya and one V ray licence.

You already got V ray for Maya, and apparently you can borrow batch licences for SI.
It's not so bad after all.

For me it isn´t bad at all anyway. I was mainly refering to your assumption:

It seems illogical to me offer less only because the userbase is small. But lets just wait and see. I may be wrong.
Only from the bussiness point of view it doesn´t make much sense to me.

Achim

hello my frinds.vray is very faster than mr and arnold.i test it .i render 300000hair with GI in vray and render time just 1min50sec
but in arnols render time is 3min10sec with aasumples=3 and defulit sumples is=3 adn very bad quality.
after this .i chang AAsumples from 3 to 10 and render time in arnold is 27min.and even with this quality in arnold my vray result in 1m50sec very beter than arnold.arnold have nouise point and you must have uper aa sumples. vray is faster render than 3delight and mr and arnold and max well.i tested all of this render.
we have 3 mode lighting witch mixsing to ghader in vray and we have very easy to setup lighing. vray is incridable.this is many vfx short film with vray
http://vimeo.com/12125147
http://vimeo.com/33030265

Newcomer (<20 posts) alert: please use the URL tags - HB

Both of those were rendered using vray4max, right? Not that i think it doesnt help make your point, but right now, the benchmarks worth looking into are the ones that put vray4soft to the test.... Even though the results shouldn't differ too much.


Cheers

—( Arnold has Noise points™ you say?)

You are being very simplistic in the way you compare your renderers. (And you should also post some images to back it up)

Arnold uses FIXED sampling and Vray uses Adaptive sampling (as default).
Arnold ALWAYS BruteForces GI which garantees your renders wont flick. Plus it has a bunch of hair optimizations you can use to reduce render times without loosing quality.

Also it is very difficult to compare renderers unless you are using exactly the same setup (geometry, shading models, light intensity, etc, etc, etc...). Like so: http://www.si-community.com/community/viewtopic.php?p=13737#p13737
Have in mind that even this kind of comparison will not reflect real production results, since textures make a big difference in Adaptive Samplers (because of the increased contrast, making them slow), and little difference in Fixed Samplers...

I think it's best if we're all willing to accept that nourvfx offers an opinion on using VRay from his own perspective here, not a full-fledged, exhaustive, 100% accurate benchmark comparison of all the renderers at hand...