ICE Topology and parametric equations
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Re: ICE Topology and parametric equations
Pretzel
Using the above technique and ICETree, I tested another implicit formula taken from Paul Bourke Website.
The implicit equation for the pretzel is:
(x^2 * (1-x^2) - y^2)^2 + z^2 = 0.01
Using the formula, I created the ICE tree below and made it into a compound. I then connected the compound like the previous sphere implementation.
Note that I moved the right side of the equation to the left side for convenience.
Using the above technique and ICETree, I tested another implicit formula taken from Paul Bourke Website.
The implicit equation for the pretzel is:
(x^2 * (1-x^2) - y^2)^2 + z^2 = 0.01
Using the formula, I created the ICE tree below and made it into a compound. I then connected the compound like the previous sphere implementation.
Note that I moved the right side of the equation to the left side for convenience.
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- Daniel Brassard
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Re: ICE Topology and parametric equations
And, here is the point cloud and emPolygonizer results. Pretty good for a proof of concept. A lot of possibilities, the door is wide open.
Cheers!
Dan
Cheers!
Dan
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Re: ICE Topology and parametric equations
Very nice Daniel! Implicit surfaces in SI. Who knew!?
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Re: ICE Topology and parametric equations
Implicit ICE Tree improvement
After further testing, and multiple crashes, I found that using the IF node did not work because I was keeping the entire array and not discarting any points, in fact I was compacting the points that did not meet the IF condition to location 0,0,0.
So I modified the ICETree as follows and tested it with a Cosine function. It worked with better results at high numbers of points, and I discard the points that don't meet the condition reducing the size of the point cloud array. Unfortunately, my low spec machine cannot polygonise the shape due to lack of memory. I will leave that to those adventurers with higher spec machines.
Cheers!
Dan
After further testing, and multiple crashes, I found that using the IF node did not work because I was keeping the entire array and not discarting any points, in fact I was compacting the points that did not meet the IF condition to location 0,0,0.
So I modified the ICETree as follows and tested it with a Cosine function. It worked with better results at high numbers of points, and I discard the points that don't meet the condition reducing the size of the point cloud array. Unfortunately, my low spec machine cannot polygonise the shape due to lack of memory. I will leave that to those adventurers with higher spec machines.
Cheers!
Dan
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Re: ICE Topology and parametric equations
And for comparaison, here is the upgraded ICETree of the Pretzel. Much faster to polygonize!
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Re: ICE Topology and parametric equations
Daniel, are you still going on this? I kind of missed seeing it lately ;)
I hope you still plan to package those fine compounds someday...
I hope you still plan to package those fine compounds someday...
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Re: ICE Topology and parametric equations
Hi ActionArt,
Yes, I am still going with it albeit a bit slow right now due to heavy workload at work, tax time and expansion of the studio taking precedence.
What I can do is package the first 50 topos and post in the compound download area. This way it would give the readers who followed the thread so far all the compounds needed to experiment with and then some. Just in time for 2013 launch I guess!
I'll see what i can do tonight.
Dan
Yes, I am still going with it albeit a bit slow right now due to heavy workload at work, tax time and expansion of the studio taking precedence.
What I can do is package the first 50 topos and post in the compound download area. This way it would give the readers who followed the thread so far all the compounds needed to experiment with and then some. Just in time for 2013 launch I guess!
I'll see what i can do tonight.
Dan
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Re: ICE Topology and parametric equations
Hey Daniel, kinda missing your lessons too!
Meaningwhile i found myself reading about an amazing work from a poland artist from time ago, you probably saw it, i was wondering how hard would be to produce in ICE this kind of models based on fibonacci sequence and phyllotaxis.
Here is the link with the "making of" if you want to take a look
http://ptakun.tmdag.com/eco_system/make ... en_htm.htm
in particular i'm interested in this kind of images
I was thinkin some modulo could have its uses here, but i'm not that expert, so i would love to hear your opinion on how to achieve such modeling!
Looking further for your compounds and thanks again for the amazing work you've done and shared with the community.
Max
Meaningwhile i found myself reading about an amazing work from a poland artist from time ago, you probably saw it, i was wondering how hard would be to produce in ICE this kind of models based on fibonacci sequence and phyllotaxis.
Here is the link with the "making of" if you want to take a look
http://ptakun.tmdag.com/eco_system/make ... en_htm.htm
in particular i'm interested in this kind of images
I was thinkin some modulo could have its uses here, but i'm not that expert, so i would love to hear your opinion on how to achieve such modeling!
Looking further for your compounds and thanks again for the amazing work you've done and shared with the community.
Max
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Re: ICE Topology and parametric equations
Hi Maximus,
Interesting experiment. Definitively possible using Chris_TC work on L System, Mossman "Emit from Polygon", Chris Marshall ICE Tree system and Milan Vasek "Scatter Tool" compounds.
I do have a Fibonacci compound but it max out at 10 iterations (I'll have to code that node one day). I also have various little constant nodes, including the golden ratio. I'll post that as well with the 50 topo nodes.
Maybe we could put our heads together in a little community project and try to figure out how to do this experiment in ICE!
Interesting experiment. Definitively possible using Chris_TC work on L System, Mossman "Emit from Polygon", Chris Marshall ICE Tree system and Milan Vasek "Scatter Tool" compounds.
I do have a Fibonacci compound but it max out at 10 iterations (I'll have to code that node one day). I also have various little constant nodes, including the golden ratio. I'll post that as well with the 50 topo nodes.
Maybe we could put our heads together in a little community project and try to figure out how to do this experiment in ICE!
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Re: ICE Topology and parametric equations
I understand that! The same reason for me not participating as much as I wanted to.Daniel Brassard wrote: Yes, I am still going with it albeit a bit slow right now due to heavy workload at work, tax time and expansion of the studio taking precedence.
That would be just awesome!!! Thanks again for all this interesting work.What I can do is package the first 50 topos and post in the compound download area. This way it would give the readers who followed the thread so far all the compounds needed to experiment with and then some. Just in time for 2013 launch I guess!
Re: ICE Topology and parametric equations
This is quite impressive. It should be very much doable in ICE, but the author doesn't go into a lot of detail, particularly about how he made the plant shapes.
I'm low on time these days, but if something is being put together I'll try to help.
I'm low on time these days, but if something is being put together I'll try to help.
Re: ICE Topology and parametric equations
I image they will be built with some kind of L-System in houdini and the answer would most probably be somewhere in here http://algorithmicbotany.org/ also, isn't treegen an L-system generator? and there has been several other L system variants in XSI before.
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Re: ICE Topology and parametric equations
I have uploaded the various compounds. The various compounds (so far) can be downloaded from the ICE Compound area at:
viewtopic.php?f=19&t=2269
In time for 2013 release,
Cheers!
Dan
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In time for 2013 release,
Cheers!
Dan
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